From: jdawgizzleshizzle
Sent: June 10, 2007
Subject: Michael Moore
Your videos of 6 degrees from truth are perhaps the lamest attempt to
debunk a movie I have ever seen. Your points do not take away from
Michael's points. Such as part 2 from 2:09 to 5:00 First there was a
lame attempt to show that Australia's deaths were proportionally just
as bad as Americas...okay maybe that wasn't your point but it doesn't
matter because you had no point there. You did some calculations to
find out if America really is more murderous than other
countries....and you proved in your "staggering numbers" that Australia
had 5,715 homicides if shown proportionally to America's population.
Only thing is, that 5,715 is only about half of the 11,127 killed in
America. Thank you for accurately proving America is twice as murderous
as Australia.
Next point was about Canada's crime rate...when
Moore's entire movie was about murder, you think citing Canada's crime
rate washes away our murder rate? no, how about you do some more math
and find out our homicide rate compared America's just like you did
with Australia. No wait you just like misleading us or telling a "lie"
as you call it in your dictionary definition. You distort your own shit
hoping that maybe one person might like you....grow up and move out of
your parents attic.
Instead of proving Canada has some people
that lock doors, how about you prove that some people in America don't
lock theirs? Of course not everyone is going to leave their doors
unlocked in Toronto, the awesome part of Moore's movie is that in
Canada's most populated city...a lot of people do!
Then when he
says "they were afraid of being persecuted" you say "actually pilgrims
were persecuted" Shut the fuck up, he was only showing that the people
that came to America were ones that were afraid. How about instead of
telling us pointless shit like that, you go and prove the pilgrims that
settled here weren't scared? then you'd have something worth putting in
your gay bubbles
Then you say the Native race was not wiped out
and state a stat from the year 2000. Wow, thanks for that, hundreds of
years after they arrived, the Natives have been able to bounce back a
little. I think Michael's point in the movie was to show how white
man's first act in settling USA was a viscious slaughter.
next
"no one in america was burned at the stake...we hung our witches" well
thanks for clearing that up. Michael's point was about the murders and
how they were driven by fear. Who cares how the murders were
commenced?? and if we do care, how about you also admit that suspected
witches were tied to a chair and dunked underwater and if they lived
they must've been a witch so they were killed, and if they died under
water then they must've been innocent??
then you brag about
every state allowing people of any colour to buy a gun...i'm sure that
would be an accurate rebuttal of michael's film....had there not been a
thing called SLAVERY still taking place you dumb fuck, how could a
slave who is entitled to no property be allowed to own a gun?
and
because slave trade was worldwide...does that make it okay? and we
shouldn't acknowledge it in a video entitled "a brief history of
america?" so what if it was happening around the world? this cartoon is
only about america.
I could probably continue ripping apart this
movie but that would be pointless and time consuming. but as you can
tell by the comments...no one wants to hear what you think. And in a 3
minute span I found the dumbest shit ever tried to be passed off as
criticism.
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Hello Mr. "gizzleshizzle"
First of all, c'mere. Right now. I want to play you in a game of dodgeball. Seriously though, let me address your points:
>Your points do not take away from Michael's points...Thank you for
accurately proving America is twice as murderous as Australia.
Agreed, America is at least twice as murderous as Australia. What I
didn't include was the amount of cities (where most homicides occur)
vs. Australia. I really should have included that because it's an
important point. Psychologists/sociologists have studies on human
proximity and pretty much it boils down to the more closely people live
to one another the more likely it is that they will get in a fight.
It's just animal (human) nature to want a large territory for yourself.
How many cities does the U.S. have compared to Australia? I can tell
you it's a lot more.
What happens in cities? Lots of competition on "drug corners." How does
the underground drug market work? Kill your competitors...a deal goes
wrong...etc. Check out this article: http://hnn.us/articles/871.html . Lots of Moore's points are addressed and discredited. More gun ownership does not equal more homicide.
>Next point was about Canada's crime rate...when Moore's entire
movie was about murder, you think citing Canada's crime rate washes
away our murder rate?
Not at all...I'm just pointing out that what Moore portrays as a very
peaceful country that's way better than the U.S. actually has worse
crime rates than we do! And the rate (i.e. percentage) is what's fair
and important.
>Instead of proving Canada has some people that lock doors, how
about you prove that some people in America don't lock theirs? Of
course not everyone is going to leave their doors unlocked in Toronto,
the awesome part of Moore's movie is that in Canada's most populated
city...a lot of people do!
I leave my door unlocked...especially if I'm in the home. A burglar is
going to easily break my windows on my door and unlock it from the
outside anyway. If I'm home, it's just easier to go inside and outside
by keeping the door unlocked. Why bother showing Americans doors being
unlocked when Mike Wilson has already discredited Moore's film by doing
the same?
>Then when he says "they were afraid of being persecuted" you say
"actually pilgrims were persecuted" Shut the fuck up, he was only
showing that the people that came to America were ones that were
afraid. How about instead of telling us pointless shit like that, you
go and prove the pilgrims that settled here weren't scared? then you'd
have something worth putting in your gay bubbles
Once again, you missed the point of Moore's film. It was to show that
the pilgrims were needlessly paranoid. But they weren't. They fled
because their people were being killed...just like Jews did during
the Holocaust. Are you going to tell me the Holocaust was needless
paranoia? Quit putting words in my mouth, I never said the pilgrims
weren't full of fear...of course they were!
>Then you say the Native race was not wiped out and state a stat
from the year 2000. Wow, thanks for that, hundreds of years after they
arrived, the Natives have been able to bounce back a little. I think
Michael's point in the movie was to show how white man's first act in
settling USA was a viscious slaughter.
Regardless of what you think, "wipe out" means 100% GONE. The natives
still exist...I'm part Native myself...as far as I know I'm still here
typing this message to you.
>next "no one in america was burned at the stake...we hung our
witches" well thanks for clearing that up. Michael's point was about
the murders and how they were driven by fear.
Yep, I had to clear it up just for historical accuracy. If you're going
to make a segment called "A Brief History of America", get your facts
straight. And about that murders being driven by fear? I addressed it.
In Moore's own film he has a man say something to the effect of "The
media's coverage of violence went up 50% while violence went down." A
point Moore later makes is that fear causes violence (9/11 happened,
people went out and purchased guns). But wait...shouldn't the higher
amount of news coverage result in more violence? It didn't and Moore
debunked himself.
>then you brag about every state allowing people of any colour to
buy a gun...i'm sure that would be an accurate rebuttal of michael's
film....had there not been a thing called SLAVERY still taking place
you dumb fuck, how could a slave who is entitled to no property be
allowed to own a gun?
This point really shows your historical ignorance. There was a thing
called freed slaves during slavery. They were allowed to buy guns.
>and because slave trade was worldwide...does that make it okay? and
we shouldn't acknowledge it in a video entitled "a brief history of
america?" so what if it was happening around the world? this cartoon is
only about america.
Nope, slavery is not okay at all. The part I was debunking was Moore's
point of "doing it that way made America the richest country in the
world." If other countries were also using slave labor, than slavery
was not the sole reason for our rise to prominence.
>I could probably continue ripping apart this movie but that would
be pointless and time consuming. but as you can tell by the
comments...no one wants to hear what you think. And in a 3 minute span
I found the dumbest shit ever tried to be passed off as criticism.
Thanks for allowing me to clear some things up with you. I appreciate
your feedback, regardless of how much you hate my documentary.
-Adam Reuter
6DFT: Michael Moore writer/host
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